2008-09 Topps Co-Signers Basketball Forum

2008-09 Topps Co-Signers - Changing Faces

So, trying to figure out how/what these things are.  Since they universally tab/slot together I have no idea how these are supposed to be.  Did they come mismatched in the pack?  Or were both halves the same player?

I tried looking thru this listing (all 8 subsets) and the images are sparse and inconsistent. Some only have half the card, some are 1 player both sides, and some are mismatched players.   And it is just as random on ebay and comc. 

Thanks.

This is the instructional card for Changing Faces:

I believe there are two variations of each card number; a left side and a right side. As can be seen with CF-13 Tony. Parker

IMO, each card number should have two entries (VARs). One for the left side (with tab) and one for the right side (with slot). How else would someone who doesn't have both sides catalogue their cards?

Thanks for posting the instructional card.  These are pretty interesting.  I agree that it would be nice to be able to mark on the checklist whether the card you have is the right or left half as they are distinct "cards" that fit together--intended to have the right/left halves interchangeable.  It would also help for trading to show if you have the right/left/both pieces for trade.

I have checked around and Sportlots lists these as A (for the left side/home jersey) and B (for the right side/away jersey--which also has the numbering on it).  Beckett doesn't distinguish, listing the cards like TCDB does.  COMC lists cards inconsistently.  Sometimes they are listed as "#CF-7-36" meaning left half is card CF-7 and right half is CF-36.  Some are listed with "Mismatched" in the description if the two side aren't the same or only one side is available for purchase.  There are a couple that say "Mismatched" but then the cards would say "CF-36-36" as the two sides are the same player.

Question for the experienced on the site, would it be better to list them as Variations?  Or would A/B numbering be best?  Trying to list the cards as they come out of the pack (with mismatched players) would be tough--even if the factory listed them all the same as people obviously don't leave them together that way in many cases.

Reading this topic and the Gold one from four years ago, assuming the combinations aren't consistent like a late-80s Topps sticker, the best way to approach this would be to have an "a" and "b" entry for each card, with "a" getting the SN and "b" getting a matching "PR" (since it doesn't have any serial numbering but theoretically was produced in same quantities), we set the card size as 1 3/4" x 2 1/2", and we just skip full panels since there could potentially be thousands of combinations.

In the future we could do a "2-card Panel" parallel, like other paneled cards. Right now I think we should create (fix) the checklist for the individual left & right cards.

BigEd76 wrote:

Reading this topic and the Gold one from four years ago, assuming the combinations aren't consistent like a late-80s Topps sticker, the best way to approach this would be to have an "a" and "b" entry for each card, with "a" getting the SN and "b" getting a matching "PR" (since it doesn't have any serial numbering but theoretically was produced in same quantities), we set the card size as 1 3/4" x 2 1/2", and we just skip full panels since there could potentially be thousands of combinations.

Just to update the page, I've updated the checklist for Changing Faces and the Bronze, Gold, and Silver parallels.  The Changing Faces page looks like it was dictionary sorted but CF-1 through CF-9 appear later down the list and will need to be fixed still.  I'm going to take a break due to my schedule over the next day or two before moving on to the Hyper parallel checklists.

Great job, thanks!

Some cleanup:

-- I've manually sorted #1-9 up to where they belong
-- "VAR: " isn't needed for "Left Half" and "Right Half". It's just to trigger the secondary box to appear, then it can be removed again after the "a" or "b" is entered. Each half is a separate card and isn't a VAR of each other.
-- After resorting and cleaning out "VAR: ", the extra "a" and "b" have been removed from the card numbers so the secondary ones only appear on the checklist view and won't show up when searching for just "CF-1", etc.

Ok, gotcha.  Going through the process I see why you described the steps the way you did.  It is making more sense.

I thought this over and don't think we should consider "2-card Panel".  Unless Topps published a specific checklist of all the 2-card combinations that were released in packs; no combinations could be disproven.  Someone could stick any two cards together, scan them, request they be added to the checklist; claiming that's how they were in the pack.