2003 Top Trumps Smash Hits! Popstars 2 Non-Sport Forum

Nice, then I can see the argument.

I can see where collectors are buying Top Trumps for the subject matter pictured on the cards not the gaming aspect.  Whereas collectors of say Magic the Gathering are buying them for the gaming aspect not the subject matter pictured.

I buy the sets for the pictures/art. They are intended to be played as a game though.

I personally would leave them where they are..

Yeah, if I'm an automobile card collector I buy them for the pictures. And I would never play with them.

Would you also personally relocate the sports trump sets to Gaming?

I think all the cards in every category here are presumed to be cards that nobody would ever play with, no? Pokemon isn't in Gaming because Pokemon card collectors are actually playing the game with them, right? It's just defining the type of card. I don't mind trumps being categorized as Gaming, since they are literally game pieces, but the exception for sports trumps suggests that some categories should trump the Gaming category because the majority of collectors don't think of some sets as Gaming cards but as Sports cards or, in this case, as Non-Sports/Music cards.

I'm not sure if this is actually true, but I guess it would depend on your point-of-view.  I have kids that collect Pokemon cards.  It sure isn't collecting in the same manner that Pokemon cards have developed into.  Most the the overall hobby (all cards, just not these cards), have turned into a different way to collect where the focus is more on the fabricated rarity and how to turn the fastest buck.

Are these statements determining how cards are supposed to be collected?  If young adults that still play some of the Pokemon, MtG or Yu-Gi-Oh! games, who am I to tell them to stop as it is not the proper way to appreciate these cards.  Should the World Championship cards be listed in the Gaming category as those cards are actually participating within the tournament games, but all of the other cards be only for collectors that cannot play on their own with their cards?  Should I ask the business on our Main Street in town that holds local games that invites the public to get together and play to enjoy the hobby to close their doors?  No one should play with certain cards.  I'm sure I am not understanding the intent of the arguement that was laid out.

Please clarify these statements.  It can be interperpeted as the Gaming category should be dissolved and consildated into the Non-Sports category.  This is something that I am not in favor of happening.

I am in favor of leaving things as they are now. We've worked very hard over the last several years to make things easier, better, & more user-friendly. If there are any sets that are in the wrong category, they can be moved - by Admin ONLY - and will need an IR to do so. Then Admin will decide if it should be moved or not.

The argument was actually made when the Gaming section was created that the sports themed sets should be moved there. I agreed with that until it was pointed out the reason they were not is because of the PID and TID matching, it would have just created a whole lot more work for everyone to go in and connect them, taking about 10 clicks for EACH card. Leaving them in sports they automatically connected with no extra work for anyone. 

It's not a case of Non-Sports being discriminated against, it's a case of making the site as user-friendly for the people who actually do the work in creating checklists. 

While I enjoy building and making sure checklists are correct, I certainly have better things to do than add thousands upon thousands of clicking that is not needed when they are listed where they are. 

What I mean is, this is a trading card database, not a gaming database. The reason why any cards of any type are ever uploaded here is because of their collectibility, not their playability. I'm sure there are people somewhere who still actually play poker and gin rummy at the kitchen table with vintage music playing card decks, too, but that doesn't affect how they're categorized here, right? Here, they're just collectibles. Same for Pokemon and Magic cards. Same for trumps. The question of what category a gaming card set should be under doesn't actually depend on whether people actually play the game that was intended, just whether or not the cards were intended to be a game. Even if not a single person in the world actually played the Magic or Pokemon card games anymore, they'd still be Gaming cards here. Same for trump card games...except that there's the sports exception, which means that a gaming card set could be better categorized according to the subject if the subject trumps the game according to the collectors of that set (not the players) and ultimately, according to Admin alone. I'm proposing that the subject of music ought to trump the card game here category-wise, like the sports situation. Again, I don't know about other subcategories of Non-Sports, whether there'll be movie or transportation or animal or history enthusiasts who then also propose that their subcategories trump the game. I just know the music domain after an intense crash course the last month or two, and I can attest that music card collectors will be looking for these music trump sets in the Non-Sports/Music category, not Gaming. After more research this afternoon, there might actually be a dozen or so music trump sets since 2003, not just a handful. Which means music trump decks might constitute the majority of various-artists music card sets for most of this century. They really need to be visible in Non-Sports/Music.